Insanity of the Left

Zarathustra · Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:26 am Post subject: Insanity of the Left

I can't take it anymore. I have to have a thread to vent. No offensive Lefties, I know that not all of you are insane ... just most of you. Razz

SerScot · Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 11:40 am Post subject:

I've noticed that the meaning of "tolerance" has been shifting over the last few years to become more or less co-extensive with "acceptance". Agreeing to disagree is no longer enough. If you will not concede that your opponent has a position as valid and proper as your own you are deemed "intolerant".

This move by the University of California system seems in line with this.
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Zarathustra · Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:56 pm Post subject:

SS, it's a growing trend of legitimizing ad hominem attacks upon the opposing world view. If you can't defeat an argument, just label it 'bigotry' or some '-ism,' and make voicing the position forbidden.

It's anti-American. Freedom of speech is being limited, debate is being silenced, and opponents are branded immoral. I can't believe the ploy is gaining any traction. If my side was doing this, I wouldn't let them get away with it.

People who allow this to happen SUCK.
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SerScot · Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:14 pm Post subject:

Zarathustra,

All sides do it to some extent.

The claim that Christian's are being oppressed by moves to legalize same sex marriage? That's a total non-sequiter that attempts to paint supporters of same sex marriage as somehow being anti-Christian bigots.

Conversely, people who want to say holding traditional Christian moral views about same sex marriage is tantamount to being a bigot are missing the point. I'm a Christian and don't believe I should impose my religious views upon other's via law. That said even though I support same sex marriage I can understand how some with more traditional views on the subject don't.

You're correct it's an attempt to legitimize the ad hominem fallacy as a legitmate form of debate.
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Zarathustra · Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:34 pm Post subject:

Oh yeah, there's craziness on both sides. I've given theists and Christians hell in many threads. If someone wants to start an "Insanity of the Right" thread, I'd probably agree with many things they say.

This thread isn't just about PCism. I intend to go after Bernie Sanders's economic views next, but I thought I'd give people time to comment on this story first.
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Remain faithful to the earth, my brothers, with the power of your virtue. Let your gift-giving love and your knowledge serve the meaning of the earth ... Do not let them fly away from earthly things and beat with their wings against eternal walls. Alas, there has always been so much virtue that has flown away. Lead back to the earth the virtue that flew away, as I do-back to the body, back to life, that it may give the earth a meaning, a human meaning. -Nietzsche

Vraith · Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:48 pm Post subject:

Well, you could have hunted down the thing [which was impossible to do AFAICT, using the article and links within it, from it, to the sources and original---almost like they were hiding something...or trying to alter and control the message.]

It doesn't ban anything, it doesn't even discourage---it's about awareness, it lists some examples that some people might find offensive in some contexts. [including when/why/who might be offended]

At the top, the short pamphlet includes [[[emphasis NOT mine---they wanted it seen, because it is part of the point.]]]:

SoulBiter · Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:05 pm Post subject:

Hashi Lebwohl · Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:29 pm Post subject:

Vraith · Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:54 pm Post subject:

Zarathustra · Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:57 pm Post subject:

Vraith, calling someone a 'wetback' and saying 'I think the most qualified person should get the job' aren't in the same ballpark.

But I acknowledge that the Left is trying to make it that way. That's why it's insane.
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Meaning is created internally by each individual in each specific life: any attempt at *meaning* which relies on some kind of external superstructure (God, Satan, the Creator, the Worm, whatever) for its substance misses the point (I mean the point of my story). -SRD

Remain faithful to the earth, my brothers, with the power of your virtue. Let your gift-giving love and your knowledge serve the meaning of the earth ... Do not let them fly away from earthly things and beat with their wings against eternal walls. Alas, there has always been so much virtue that has flown away. Lead back to the earth the virtue that flew away, as I do-back to the body, back to life, that it may give the earth a meaning, a human meaning. -Nietzsche

Cail · Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:07 pm Post subject:

It's thought control, plain and simple. There should be no discussion necessary when it comes to speaking your mind. The entire concept of "triggers" and "microagressions" is ridiculous, and an attempt (thankfully a transparent one) to end discussion and promote conformity.
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kevinswatch · Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 4:24 pm Post subject:

I don't see what the big deal is... I commonly ignore everything e-mailed out by the university anyway. Most faculty do.

-jay

Orlion · Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:45 pm Post subject:

Zarathustra · Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:00 pm Post subject:

Telling people that they can't express harmless beliefs like "the most qualified person should get the job" in itself creates a hostile environment towards people with that position.

This has nothing to do with decreasing hostility. It's not a defensive technique, but an offensive one (or perhaps passive aggressive is a better term). It's a hostile stance towards the belief in a meritocracy, among other traditionally American beliefs.
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Meaning is created internally by each individual in each specific life: any attempt at *meaning* which relies on some kind of external superstructure (God, Satan, the Creator, the Worm, whatever) for its substance misses the point (I mean the point of my story). -SRD

Remain faithful to the earth, my brothers, with the power of your virtue. Let your gift-giving love and your knowledge serve the meaning of the earth ... Do not let them fly away from earthly things and beat with their wings against eternal walls. Alas, there has always been so much virtue that has flown away. Lead back to the earth the virtue that flew away, as I do-back to the body, back to life, that it may give the earth a meaning, a human meaning. -Nietzsche

SoulBiter · Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:16 pm Post subject:

Orlion · Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:44 pm Post subject:

To me, it's like the "Right's War on Women". Do you see that? Or is it taken waaay out of context and blown waaaay out of proportion? Cause this looks like some dorks had a conference, put together a pamphlet, and sent them out as suggestions. Yes, there are people out who believe this... but there are also Republicans that beat their wives.

That does not mean there's this grand conspiracy to turn the US into a nation of Leftist-PC-Drones. It just means you were taken in by right-wing propaganda... much like those on the left are taken in by left-wing propaganda about how Republicans want to process the poor into feed for the horses of the rich or some such garbage.

Much like how I'm taken in by the propaganda that whenever there is fun, there is always Coca-Cola.
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Hashi Lebwohl · Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:06 pm Post subject:

Wosbald · Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 12:58 pm Post subject:

+JMJ+

Zarathustra · Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 9:58 pm Post subject:

Vraith · Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:19 pm Post subject: