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 Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:25 pm Post subject: Israeli Scientists to Find Cure For Cancer . . . |
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. . . and the rest of the world still hates them.
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| Quote: | A small team of Israeli scientists think they might have found the first complete cure for cancer.
"We believe we will offer in a year's time a complete cure for cancer," said Dan Aridor, of a new treatment being developed by his company, Accelerated Evolution Biotechnologies Ltd. (AEBi), which was founded in 2000 in the ITEK incubator in the Weizmann Science Park. AEBi developed the SoAP platform, which provides functional leads to very difficult targets.
"Our cancer cure will be effective from day one, will last a duration of a few weeks and will have no or minimal side-effects at a much lower cost than most other treatments on the market," Aridor said. "Our solution will be both generic and personal.
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I put this in the Tank because it's 'bout to get political, y'all! 
I've been saying for years what an amazing, undervalued ally we have Israel. They are the only "Western" civilization in the Middle East, one that is scientifically advanced, shares our values, and contributes to the rest of mankind--ESPECIALLY in the realm of medical science--and yet their destructive, backward, violent, non-contributing neighbors get all the sympathy and attention on the world stage.
Maybe you all aren't familiar with the medical advances that come out of Israel (and nowhere else in the M.E.), but my ex-wife wrote policy guidelines for a major health insurance company, so I heard about it all the time. Her job was to research the latest medical tech, and a lot came out of Israel. (None came from the Palestinians.)
So, we have an oppressed, beseiged, brilliant people who live under the constant threat of being blown off the map . . . about to save humanity from cancer! Freakin' cancer, people!
Maybe it was a good thing they weren't wiped out by Hitler or Iran after all??? Maybe it was a good thing that we carved out a tiny piece of the world for them to live and work and save humanity from cancer??
Thanks, Israel!!
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You know what the real kicker is? Israel is so generous that if their cure turns out to be effective then they will share it with the entire world.
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But is it halal?
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| Cail wrote: | | But is it halal? |
Sure is.. from the finest cuts of pork you ever seen.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:36 am Post subject: |
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Israel is not widely hated .. Israel has many allies Z
www.israelallies.org/international/member_nations/
| Quote: | Israel Allies
Argentina 🇦🇷
Australia 🇦🇺
Brazil 🇧🇷
Canada 🇨🇦
Costa Rica 🇨🇷
Estonia 🇪🇪
European Union 🇪🇺
Finland 🇫🇮
Ghana 🇬🇭
Guatemala 🇬🇹
Germany 🇩🇪
Hungary 🇭🇺
Italy 🇮🇹
Japan 🇯🇵
Kenya 🇰🇪
Latvia 🇱🇻
Liberia 🇱🇷
Malawi 🇲🇼
Mexico 🇲🇽
Netherlands 🇳🇱
Norway 🇳🇴
Papua New Guinea 🇵🇬
Paraguay 🇵🇾
The Philippines 🇵🇭
Poland 🇵🇱
Romania 🇷🇴
Sierra Leone 🇸🇱
Slovakia 🇸🇰
South Africa 🇿🇦
South Korea 🇰🇷
Suriname 🇸🇷
Switzerland 🇨🇭
Uganda 🇺🇬
United Kingdom 🇬🇧
United States 🇺🇸 |
| Quote: | NOTES ON ALLIES OF ISRAEL :
Egypt 🇪🇬 was once an enemy to Israel 🇮🇱 during its creation but things changed after sixth day war. Also Egypt has acted as a mediator in a number of unofficial ceasefire agreements between Israeli forces and Palestinians.
Jordan 🇯🇴 too was once an enemy of Israel but now they are allies.
Israel has diplomatic relations with 40 states that are not members of the Arab League.
Israel too enjoys good diplomatic ties with Kazakhstan 🇰🇿 , Kyrgyzstan 🇰🇬 , the Republic of the Maldives 🇲🇻 , Tajikistan 🇹🇯 , Turkey 🇹🇷 Turkmenistan 🇹🇲 and Uzbekistan 🇺🇿
India 🇮🇳
India 🇮🇳 supported Palestine 🇵🇸 & opposed Israel 🇮🇱 during its creation. After the Kargil war India became one of the closest ally of Israel.
Some form of positive relationship or dialogue with several other countries in the region, including South Korea and the Philippines 🇵🇭
Kurds supports Israel as they hate Arabs.
South Africa 🇿🇦 , Myanmar 🇲🇲 , Cambodia 🇰🇭 , China 🇨🇳 , Nepal o, Singapore 🇸🇬 , Armenia 🇦🇲 supports Israel as the result of Genocide, Italy 🇮🇹 , Netherlands 🇳🇱 , Norway 🇳🇴
The 1st countries which favored Israel 🇮🇱 creation, were Spain 🇪🇸 , Ukraine 🇺🇦 and Australia 🇦🇺
Last but not least. Its Germany 🇩🇪 Initially Israel saw Germany with feuded eyes following WWII. Then Germany rose up to become one of the greatest ally of Israel |
Interesting article Z .. what are the political issues do you believe.
Id be intrigued to see the costs of a cancer cure, like the one described. They claim it will be less invasive and expensive than current treatments. Pretty amazing stuff.
Theyre currently patenting it .. be interesting to see next steps.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:56 am Post subject: |
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Good news if it works out.
Agree that they have plenty of allies / support / whatever.
Also think it's disingenuous at best to make a remark like "none came from Palestinians."
I doubt like hell that they are able to prioritise resources for research etc...
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| Skyweir wrote: | | Israel is not widely hated .. Israel has many allies |
Where are all those allies when the UN General Assembly is holding one of its numerous votes to condemn Israel for something which is usually the Palestinians' fault?
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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I hope it's true but after 30 years of Type 1 Diabetic cures that hit the news and then evaporate never to be heard of again I'm not holding my breathe.
I really do hope it's true though. 
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| Hashi Lebwohl wrote: | | Skyweir wrote: | | Israel is not widely hated .. Israel has many allies |
Where are all those allies when the UN General Assembly is holding one of its numerous votes to condemn Israel for something which is usually the Palestinians' fault? |
They are the member states that abstained or rejected Palestinian outrage over Palestinian deaths on the Gaza Strip.
In lock step with Israel and the US.
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| Hashi Lebwohl wrote: | | Skyweir wrote: | | Israel is not widely hated .. Israel has many allies |
Where are all those allies when the UN General Assembly is holding one of its numerous votes to condemn Israel for something which is usually the Palestinians' fault? |
1) "Usually" is a matter of opinion.
2) Standing by and doing nothing since the US will veto any resolution against them.
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| Avatar wrote: | | Hashi Lebwohl wrote: | | Skyweir wrote: | | Israel is not widely hated .. Israel has many allies |
Where are all those allies when the UN General Assembly is holding one of its numerous votes to condemn Israel for something which is usually the Palestinians' fault? |
2) Standing by and doing nothing since the US will veto any resolution against them.
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That's bad policy. It sure seems to me that you'd want to be on the record for what you think is right, whether or not it'll work.
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'Cancer cure' doubted as Israeli team claims it can't afford to publish findings [In-Depth]
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CEO and founder of the startup Accelerated Evolution Biotechnologies Ltd. (AEBI) Ilan Morad, right, with Hanan Itzhaki, the chief science officer, at their lab (Courtesy)
Ness Ziona's Accelerated Evolution Biotechnologies says pre-clinical trial results 'very good'; foreign experts lambaste claims, Israeli experts say they haven't seen the research
Foreign cancer specialists are criticizing claims by a team of Israeli researchers who say they have developed a concept that will pave the way to a cure for cancer, with one US expert dismissing it as likely "another in a long line of spurious, irresponsible and ultimately cruel false promises for cancer patients."
The CEO of the company behind the research told The Times of Israel on Tuesday that it has not published its research in medical journals, as is the norm, because it "can't afford" to do so, but that the results of its pre-clinical trials have been "very good." Several Israeli experts contacted by The Times of Israel declined to comment on the claim, some precisely because they were not familiar with the research.
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Illustrative photo of a cancer patient receiving chemotherapy treatment (www.shutterstock.com)
Several hospitals and experts in Israel refused to comment on the claims, some noting that they had no direct information on the research. Other experts, overseas, sounded stark warnings about the researchers' claims.
Dr. Leonard Lichtenfeld, deputy chief medical officer for the national office of the American Cancer Society, noted on Tuesday that while the Israeli scientists had worked "with an interesting approach to interfering with the ability of cancer cells to function," their research has "apparently not been published in the scientific literature where it would be subject to review, support and/or criticism from knowledgeable peers."
"We all have hope that a cure for cancer can be found and found quickly. It is certainly possible this approach may be work," he wrote in a blog post entitled "[url=blogs.cancer.org/drlen/2019/01/29/a-cure-for-cancer-not-so-fast/]A cure for cancer? Not so fast[/url]."
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Dr. Ben Neel, director of Perlmutter Cancer Center at NYU Langone Health, told The New York Post that "cancer is multiple diseases, and it is highly unlikely that this company has found a 'cure' for cancer any more than there is a single cure for infections."
He said that "more likely, this claim is yet another in a long line of spurious, irresponsible and ultimately cruel false promises for cancer patients."
Publish or ... research?
Morad said the team at AEBi chooses to use its scant funds to do more research rather than publishing its research in medical journals
The firm wants to focus on "advancing the research and developing more targeting peptides. It takes a lot of work and we are a small company," he told The Times of Israel. "We can't afford it. Publishing an article takes a lot of effort and a lot of funds, and this we can't afford.
He added: "If we were a big company with a lot of funds, that would be the first thing we would do. If I have $100,000 what do I spend it on?" he asked. "Advancing the research and finding more and more targeting peptides, or doing many experiments to write an article? What would you do, if you had to choose?"
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Haters gonna hate.
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| Zarathustra wrote: | | Haters gonna hate. |
Honestly? Any extraordinary claim like this should be doubted until it actually comes to be. Which is an awkward way of saying, "I'll believe it when I see it."
It would be great if this breakthrough is real. But to claim it is evidence of the contribution of a specific country to the worldwide community? That's a bit preemptive, and not conducive to your point when it will certainly turn out to be waaay less encompassing then advertised.
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| Orlion wrote: | | Zarathustra wrote: | | Haters gonna hate. |
Honestly? Any extraordinary claim like this should be doubted until it actually comes to be. Which is an awkward way of saying, "I'll believe it when I see it."
It would be great if this breakthrough is real. But to claim it is evidence of the contribution of a specific country to the worldwide community? That's a bit preemptive, and not conducive to your point when it will certainly turn out to be waaay less encompassing then advertised. |
I'm just saying that it's not surprising that "foreign critics" are critical of Israel claiming some good news. Which critics? What are their qualifications?
The criticisms in the article were dealt with in the original article . . . e.g. that cancer isn't merely one particular disease--in fact this is exactly why the Israeli scientists think their cure will work . . . everyone else keeps trying to cure only one form of cancer and it stops working because the cancer mutates. A general cancer cure--which they claim they have--is the key to solving this mutation problem.
The article was quite in depth. Did you read it? I understand "I'll believe it when I see it," but not dismissing it, which is what the article above promotes. What's wrong with "I hope it's true and I'm rooting for those guys to be right!"? No one is asking you to buy anything. You don't risk anything by giving the guys the benefit of the doubt.
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I want their research to bear fruit, as do most people with cancer or who have family members suffering from cancer.
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I think the big O is supportive of the discovery in and of itself .. what I believe O is saying is .. that as much as this is an awesome discovery .. its not in and of itself, regardless of how actually incredible curing cancer is .. its not representative of the state of Israels contribution to humanity or the planet. 🌎
This team of scientists are indeed brilliant and hopefully if it is true .. that THEY or their institution cant publish their findings due to a lack on money ... that the state of Iarael might chip in ... or a global gofundme might chip in to assist.
Cos tbh thats definitely a cause worth supporting.. Id definitely contribute.
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| Zarathustra wrote: | Haters gonna hate...
I'm just saying that it's not surprising that "foreign critics" are critical of Israel claiming some good news. Which critics? What are their qualifications? |
Errr hang on a second here, Zee...
I think we can take it as an absolute given that any rational human being really hopes that there is substance in the announcement.
However, why on earth are you presuming that "foreign critics" are critical of the statement just because it's come out of Israel? That is a completely bizarre assumption to make, no?
I'm sure you're a fan of the scientific method and will already be aware of the importance of 3rd party independently auditable repeatability, double blind methodology and peer review. Science is meant to be sceptical (and the comments were measuredly cautious IMV rather than dismissive).
And as to qualifications held by the "critics"? Well from the news story quoted, by Wosbald - as published in the Times of Israel, I note - one was "Dr. Leonard Lichtenfeld, deputy chief medical officer for the national office of the American Cancer Society" and the other was "Dr. Ben Neel, director of Perlmutter Cancer Center at NYU Langone Health". At least superficially, one would think that both parties had a sufficient level of expertise in the relevant field to be able to offer an educated opinion.
This is surely not a question of an Israeli discovery being dismissed "because it's Israeli". This is a claim made by some scientists being viewed with caution by other scientists because it's not yet been subject to proper and justified peer review. Nothing anti-Israel or anti-Semitic about that.
I'm sure the global scientific community wants to guard against another one of these false dawns...
...and so it should.
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Claiming something like a cure for cancer(or a certain type) would have
been plastered front lines news all over the world. I have not seen once a
chirp or peep from the news media. It is a holy grail of medicine that
could lead to the total cure for all cancers.
So I doubt that those people have really done it. It would be automatic Nobel prize in medicine. But looks like a fart in the wind.
Either that or all the worlds governments are colluding to suppress it.
I mean if they could cure the disease then look how much longer they
would have to take care of the elderly. Wipe out the second most killer (in
the US anyways) and people will tend to live longer. Well those people would need to be housed, fed..etc. and they may live another 10 to 40 years?
So much a burden, it would be easier to just to let them have the disease,
treat them with chemicals that weaken their resolve and then let them die.
So I wonder if we will ever see a cure...
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