The Latest Potentially-Explosive Racially-Charged Murder II

[Hashi Lebwohl]

The name being kicked around for AG right now is Merrick Garland.

Kenneth Jones was killed in a police stop Friday night in Omaha, Nebraska. There were four people in the car and Mr. Jones was the only one who refused to comply with police directives, struggling and resisting them, resulting in him reaching for a gun--a .45 was found on his person after the incident. Given that the other three complied and he did not, we may chalk this up to "suicide by cop". One local protestor, Peyton Zyla, told the local Omaha World-Herald "until police prove that they didn't murder a black man, we're not shutting up--not one bit”. You moron--our system is "innocent until proven guilty" so the police don't have to prove anything, especially to you. No, they are innocent until proven guilty....and since Mr. Jones was reaching for a gun, guess what? They will still be innocent when the investigation is over--they will not be indicted by a grand jury.

In Florida, an 18-year-old black man was shot and killed by police....but the medical examiner determined that one of the two gunshot wounds he had was self-inflicted. Devon Tilman Gregory was in a car that got stopped, he started to reach under the seat for something, which escalated the situation, and while he had a phone up to his head he started yelling "fucking kill me" to the police. This goes on for 19 minutes--a long body cam video--then Mr. Gregory puts his head down between his knees, a gunshot from inside the vehicle is heard, and his head kicks back. At this point police discharge their own weapons but I suspect he was already dead. Not suicide by cop, just plain old suicide.

This is the patter over and over--initially it seems like police just shoot and kill a black American for no reason, only to find out that the person who got killed was resisting and/or reaching for a weapon. There is no pattern of police "hunting" anyone.
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Merrick Garland? Republicans didn't give Robert Bork a consolation job.

Everytime I've been stopped and questioned by police it ended up with me walking away.
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[Avatar]

You're an old white guy Sarge...

[sgt.null]

Av - you said it yourself, it isn't a pattern. Hashi has posted the stats to show it doesn't happen as the media would have you believe.

I had an inmate come back to prison less than a year after parole. I asked what happened. He said his parole officer revoked him a bs charge. This is what he told me happened...

He was pulled over in Oklahoma speeding in the 18 Wheeler he was driving. (Speeding - first violation) he had no valid driver's license (second violation) he did not have permission from his PO to be out of state (third) while searching the truck they found cocaine (4th) and pistol ( felon with gun - 5th) during his PO's mandated drug test he had weed in his system (6th) and turns out he missed a meet with his PO (7th) while working put of state.

So when told a version of events try to remember to question if that is what really happened.
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Yes, but saying "It isn't a pattern" kinda misses the point...it still happens. And it happens at a much higher rate than them shooting white people (not a higher number, numbers are about even).

Saying "it's not a pattern," while true, sounds like saying, it doesn't happen, which is not the case.

--A
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+JMJ+

[sgt.null]

I deal with inmates. A subset of the population. They act out aggressively at times. Even though the end result is always the same. We will gain compliance. But many have the attitude that they can take one of us out of commission and they will win.

Take it for what it's worth. Not everyone has the same outlook. Morals. Ideals. Etc.
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[Fist and Faith]

I think the inmates can get a victory in that scenario. They might do something to a CO that has never been done to that CO before. They might permanently disable or kill you the CO. Either is an absolute life changer, for you and your family.

OTOH, what can you do to an inmate? You can't change his life by sending him to prison. He's likely been in a good many fights, so likely lost some pretty badly, so beating him up won't be any kind of change for him. Permanently disable him and your life will probably change for the worse more than his will.

So yeah, the inmates will always comply. Time after time. But one of those times, they might "win" before they do.
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[sgt.null]

Fist - they can get more time. But yes, I have been fortunate not to have been attacked. I've had to be physical. Part of the issue is that some c/o's should not be working corrections. They don't have the feel for it. Its almost a sixth sense.

Z - my younger brother was like yours. A drug addicted monor criminal. I still miss him.
Its not racial at the prison. Its usually an age thing. Younger criminals are extremely dumb. You have some guys who are just crazy, but I usually do well with them. Tbh, older Mexican inmates are usually the best workers. I usually end up with the ones who speak no English. We work it out.
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[Gadget nee Jemcheeta]

I guess to start your generalization is completely insane, I assume you haven't gotten to know many black people well. You're confusing race with class and lemme tell you the poor get fucked by the police, that's why they get street cred. Maybe you've never been poor or never had a lot of interactions with the police as poor?

Here's how I can blame white people for this: We bought human beings, brought them across the ocean, set up all the rules, set up the authority, built the schools and hired the cops. How could you not place the root of every societal problem on white men? Bro they have run the world forever. They control all the $$$ and the access and the networking necessary to rise in power.

Kind of person that resists arrest phew. man I have seen cops roll up on a group of people, grab one throw him in the back and drive away no words spoken.

Also the idea that there is nothing to blame from crime I assume you mean the kind of crime that cops go after because ffs there is so much rewarded crime everywhere. Do you need examples of crime paying off for the criminal? Really?

Whatever, person above nailed it when they said "That seems like a whole lotta words to basically assert that the outcomes of the System — the inscrutable ways of the Invisible Hand — are simply right and just by definition." the amount of backflips you have to do to get to blind obedience is breathtaking man you should join a circus or go to the olympics or something phew. The think tank has fallen far if this kind of trash is going on here. It must have been a slow boil.
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