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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fraud can happen with in-person voting, too, so should we ban in-person voting?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WF - typical liberal. You can't keep track of your own logic. I'll try to help you. If one person is disenfranchised from voting because they are a felon just released from prison, that is a tragedy. If someone doesn't have identification (even though you can't prove that) and can't vote, that is a tragedy. If someone has to take the bus to vote, that is a tragedy.

But here we have actual proof of actual votes being tossed out. You're cool with it. Not worried it could signs of a systemic problem. Is it because they are votes for Trump? Or is it because you don't believe the military should get their vote? Which is it? What if the voters were black? Doesn't that make a racist? Why are you a racist?

Ur - thank you for making the case for voter identification laws. Good work.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You're cool with it.

Never said I was cool with it. Said it wasn't widespread and it wasn't fraud.

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Not worried it could signs of a systemic problem.

Having read the article you pointed to, I became acquainted with the facts, and that is how I know it's not a sign of a systemic problem. Hence, I am not worried.

It's not me who can't follow logic here. I even doubt you read the article.

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This one is for you, Sarge. And it's an amazing response to what you just posted.

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1 video that shows exactly how much damage Trump is doing to the idea of truth

[...] O'Sullivan is interviewing a Trump supporter named Chris who brings up a video he has seen on Facebook of former Vice President Joe Biden falling asleep during a TV interview. O'Sullivan notes that the video, which was widely shared in Trump circles including by White House social media director Dan Scavino, is a fake.

O'Sullivan hands the Trump supporter his phone to show him a Washington Post debunking of the video. After a few clicks and a look of perplexity, Chris says this: "Well, I mean, I definitely wouldn't doubt that it would happen." Asked by O'Sullivan whether the fact that the video is fake changes his mind about Biden, Chris responds, "God no." He adds that he "missed that one" but "it was a really good laugh and, like I said, I wouldn't doubt it."

Truly stunning. When faced with undeniable proof that he is wrong, Chris admits that he "missed that one" but quickly pivots to the idea it was all a big joke (which he clearly did not think 10 seconds before, when he told O'Sullivan the video was real) and then repeats his belief that it is the sort of thing that could be true about Biden -- even if this particular video was doctored.

Being confronted with facts doesn't change his view. In fact, confronted with the facts about the video, Chris rapidly finds a way to justify it all and to stay convinced that Biden probably did fall asleep during an interview at some point (even if he has no evidence that such a thing actually occurred.) [link]

Hint: Sarge, you have been confronted with an article which debunks your evidence of systemic mail fraud. You believe it's happening anyway, despite having no evidence that such a thing actually occurred.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Report: Trump Campaign Actively Discussing Radical Measures To Bypass Election Results


Hysterical article is hysterical. You should probably quit reading wild-eyed conspiracy articles like that one before you being believing them.

I support Trump, but mostly because he is less damaging to the nation than Democrats would be, but I am already convinced he is going to lose and the Democrats will retain the House but not gain the Senate. No one is going to bypass election results to keep Trump in office--we might be modern-day Rome but we have not degenerated into Imperial Rome just yet.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wF - so multiple articles of election fraud mean nothing. But one guy having the idea seemingly pre-dementia Biden, the guy who keeps stopping his day [putting a lid on.] At around 9am, might nod off during the day. That is proof of what? The guy isn't around. So how do we know if he's ok? Your side keeps bring up Russian collusion. Thoroughly debunked. Your side keeps calling the riots peaceful protests.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wayfriend - nothing to see here, right?

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2069916491291/virginia-counties-see-multiple-absentee-ballots-sent-to-more-than-1000-voters

And reporter has to help Stumbling Joe Biden

https://youtu.be/WQ8wICtwDBk
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trump paid $750 in federal income taxes in 2016.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The New York Times alleges that Donald Trump paid just $750 (£587) in federal income tax in 2016, the year he won the US presidency.

Rachel Maddow and Trump's tax returns

https://youtu.be/0eB-xjDMGdQ
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It’s hardly worth the NYT risking liability by publishing libellous information and slandering the POTUS.

My money is on the NYT.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It’s hardly worth the NYT risking liability by publishing libellous information and slandering the POTUS.

My money is on the NYT.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversies_involving_The_New_York_Times
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Skyweir wrote:
It’s hardly worth the NYT risking liability by publishing libellous information and slandering the POTUS.

My money is on the NYT.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Trump paid $750 in federal income taxes in 2016.


I am supposed to care about this....why? Ultra-high-wealth individuals have beeen taking advantage of all sorts of shelters, deferrments, exemptions, and so on for decades that none of us have.

On the other hand, you realize he has been donating his Presidential salary since assuming office, yes?

There is no Constitutional requirement to make one's tax returns public. Many POTUSes do so of their own free will but they don't have to. I have never cared about a POTUS's taxes.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am more interested in keeping the Trump tax cuts and not having Biden burden us with even more taxes to pay for grifters' insurance and schooling. I'm pissed enough when my property taxes go up to pay for the public schools I've never used.
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What's wrong with public education?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What's wrong with public education?


https://hechingerreport.org/what-2018-pisa-international-rankings-tell-us-about-u-s-schools/

That we aren't getting what we are paying for. We have a teacher's union more concerned with politics and keeping their employees employed more than teaching.

Administrators more concerned with test scores than teaching basic courses. The liberal indoctrination of our students.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/432775-high-school-student-charged-with-assaulting-classmate-wearing

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2017/09/04/school-district-apologizes-after-students-told-make-america-great-again-shirts-not-allowed-in-class/

Students allowed to walk out of school for liberal protests.
https://www.maciverinstitute.com/2020/07/questionable-curriculum-schools-walk-out-on-education/

Banning the Americs flag on Cinco de Mayo
https://www.americanfreedomlawcenter.org/press-release/ninth-circuit-upholds-ban-on-american-flag-shirts-in-a-california-high-school/

Banning student led prayer
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/oh-my-god-school-bans-student-led-prayers-at-football-games

Critical race theory
https://www.realclearpublicaffairs.com/articles/2020/07/16/critical_race_theory_in_k-12_education_498969.html

Allowing BLM access to students
https://neaedjustice.org/black-lives-matter-school-resources/

The inability or unwillingness to fire bad teachers

https://www.heartland.org/news-opinion/news/militant-public-school-teacher-took-students-to-antifa-protests-lied-about-absences-records-show

https://www.lawfirms.com/female-teacher-sex-crime-offenders-and-scandals.html

And Democrats opposition to school choice.

Also I have no children in school. Never had. Never will. My money goes to allow the teachers union to pay off democrats to make sure that the system stays the same.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am more interested in keeping the Trump tax cuts

And there it is.

There is documented and confirmed evidence that Trump is attempting to undermine, delegitimize, and ultimately corrupt US elections. This is shocking, appalling, horrible, evil, corrupt, destructive, and tyrannical.

And yet conservatives can't do anything but NOT talk about it.

They are more interested in getting their tax cuts.

We should all be shocked to what degree people will go to get a tax cut. But it's 2020, shocks need to get in line.

What all such people don't realize is tax cuts, like deregulation and fanning race wars, are just a way for them to get what they need until they have it. Once the US is ruled by men who can't be voted out, they will screw conservatives over as hard and as fast as anyone else. All you can do is yell "Praise Trump our Glorious Leader" as loud as you can and hope that they look past you.

It's already begun.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WF - what evidence is there that Truml is attempting undermine, delegitimize, and ultimately corrupt US elections?

Trump is asking that Democrsfd not be allowed to cheat with mail in ballots. We know that ballots are being ditched. We know that Pennsylvsnia will allow ballots to be counted with no post mark proving they were sent in before voting day.

Here in Texas four Democrats are being prosecuted for a voter fraud scheme.
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/09/24/texas-gregg-county-voter-fraud/

I don't know how to tell you this. But my money is mine. It doesn't belong to the government. Liberals like you think I should be grateful for whatever the government 'allows' me to keep.

How about you te me why I should lay more in taxes? To give grifters free Healthcare? To give illegals healthcare? To give free college to some grifter?
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It’s good to know that you support one law for the wealthy and another for the less wealthy.

Well done clever Trump. A government administration set up to safeguard the profitability of the 5%. Or is it less now 🤷‍♀️
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Of course you will pay taxes and will not be able to offset USD$70k on your coiffure
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sky - the government already pisses my tax .only away. So the solution is to give them more?

Can any liberal here to me why I should want to pay more in taxes?
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