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Neverness: Zindell is to Sci-Fi as SRD is to Fantasy
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah if only it were summer here Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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While a little more complex (as to everything that's going on) The Wild is the most "colorful" book of the series. Colors and descriptions fly out of the pages-a great summertime read! Glad you liked TBG! Big Grin


I believe that The Wild was my favorite of the four books. Smile Enjoy! Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, The Wild has some great stuff! I won't even put my favorite parts in spoilers, since Sir Duke is only about to start. Suffice to say, Danlo's journeys out there are filled with wonder. It is known.

duke, don't worry about being disappointed after TBG. Things are very different in some ways. A very different sort of story, with new, great characters, and amazing situations.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finally finished 'The Wild' about a week ago. It took a couple of months as I've been drowning in work commitments, and have been too brain dead to read much after work.

The Wild. The prose has an ethereal quality to it, like it is a dream, yet it is real. The colours and imagery were captivating. It is quite a different story to 'The Broken God' - I was impressed how Zindell was continuing the story, yet telling a different story as well. (Like what SRD was able to do with "The One Tree".)

Reading the story really did give me the feeling of going off to different worlds, and experiencing different realities. I admit to thinking the title "A Requiem for Homo Sapiens" was pretentious, but 'The Wild' nails "what it is to be human" - the hope, the aspiration, the way that those hopes, and our lives could prove to be futile, yet we must hope.

Some stunning ideas in there as well.

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Ede the god in a devotionary computer - the 'broken god'.
The Solid State Entity testing and tempting Danlo with various lives he could live.
The polluted, overpopulated Tannahill, and the struggle for the Cybernetic Universal Church to follow in Ede's footsteps.
The "War of Terror" so close to today's "War on Terror".


My favourite highlight among many was -

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when the Ede computer saw what the Cybernetic Universal Church had done to his religion, and he was disgusted.


I'm looking forward to starting "War in Heaven" Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just finished "The Hunt", chapter 18 of "War in Heaven". Wow!

Definitely my favourite chapter of the book so far. Zindell writes great "theme" chapters, each moving the story along, yet each of them fairly self contained, almost like a short story. Zindell is fun because the story moves from the stars and mathematics and religion and ideology to the ice and primitive man and a hunt - for food, not for sport. I've often thought that the subtitle "A requiem for homo sapiens" was a little grandiose, but there are moments in "The Hunt" -

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for example - Danlo not using the scanner to Hunt, but using the handmade goggles, tracking the bear like a primitive man


- that I think capture the paradox of our duality of animal needs and our modern existence as a technologically advanced civilisation.

I agree with you Danlo, Zindell writes like SRD in that both authors are wonderful at writing visual and emotional stories. Neverness and its surrounding frozen ocean of ice seem just as much a character in the story as does Andelain in the Covenant novels.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got to get back into this series. Right now I'm captivated by Scott Bakker's THE DARKNESS THAT COMES BEFORE, but I certainly intend to get back to this series. I read too slowly. Working on my own too much.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I know the feeling of "reading slowly" Malik, I have the same problem.

At the rate I read, I get through just ONE series a year. 2006 has been all Zindell for me. A pretty good year (as Tori Amos says). Now that I'm close to finishing "War in Heaven" I've gotta decide what series I'll read in 2007...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still can't find a first-hand copy of Neverness. Confused
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very hard to find: try contacting Harper Collins/UK Voyager Classics perhaps the only direct link out there to purchasing Neverness...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

duke, do you have choices in mind that you're deciding between?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THANKYOU FIST AND FAITH!!!!

I now have a copy of Neverness. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pilots,

Has anyone ever noticed the reference to Warrior-Poet in the opening credits of the Colbert Report?

Colbert has read Donaldson. Could it be he has read Zindell as well?
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Pilots,

Has anyone ever noticed the reference to Warrior-Poet in the opening credits of the Colbert Report?

Colbert has read Donaldson. Could it be he has read Zindell as well?

I do remember seeing that, and I've always wondered.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They referenced Warrior-Poets in an Andromeda episode where the writers slipped in lines from Azimov, Herbert, Clarke, Heinlien and other SF masters.
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Isn't the last line of Braveheart something like, "They fought like warrior-poets, and won their freedom."?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:06 am    Post subject: Kick ass David!! Reply with quote

From Boulder's (Colorado) The Daily Camera:

Boulder's David Zindell, author of the ambitious, highly literary four-volume science fiction series that began with 1985's "Neverness," spent a little time in the wilderness recently after he was unable to sell a mainstream novel that takes place in Boulder.

But you can't keep a good writer down. Zindell recently hooked up with a new agent and promptly sold a four-volume fantasy series, "The Ea Cycle," to Warner Books for a "high six-figure advance."

The money counts, of course, but perhaps even better, the deal includes a guaranteed $100,000 advertising campaign for the first volume, "The Lightstone." As any professional writer will tell you, the success of any book in today's market is utterly dependent on advertising and marketing.

~congrats Dave you deserve it!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn, I really need to get around to reading the Ea cycle... not to mention War in Heaven.
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Am I the only zindell fan who found the ea cycle downright disappointing? The only time my brain really "woke up" is when I noticed random little tie ins, like the main villain having the same title as the name of Sivan's ship, gelstei appearing in both, other stuff. I found that most of the side characters were just plain boring.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are not alone, Holsety. The four Neverness books are among my very favorite series ever. (With TCTC, Earthsea, and Malazan.) Phenomenally good stuff. But I couldn't get through even the first Ea book.
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I thought Ea was better than a number of fantasies out there, but it was tough to slug through at some points. It's good generic fantasy, not the highbrow stuff we're used to here. I think the plus about turning the books to film is that you can eliminate alot of the boring chaff.

The real reason I said congrats to Zindell is that he was screwed by Bantam Spectrum on all four of the Neverness "universe" books--I think he deserves all the money he can get from those books (which he never really got due to B/S's nonexistant publicity and very limited publication).
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