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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 12:40 pm    Post subject: Writing Fantasy / Sci-Fi: The trap of the Proper name. Reply with quote

Writing Fantasy / Sci-Fi

I offer the rather absurd example below to illustrate a point. I will comment further below.

Grathdrathar strode amongst the Council of Traklandine in defiance to the proclamation by Androthon of Snanlodrill, son of Flaaksnosheel. Grathdrathar wore his philishar thrust across his proud trunk with an opposing air of unease and self-belief. Androthon knew his imprudent gambit would fail and behaved accordingly.

“Grathrathar! You stand before the Traklandine. How dare you show your countenance in the sacred hall of Jornoth Krimbill? I Androthon accuse you before the assembled house of Sheeltradel. What say you? Have the Croatin Shilldrons stolen your tongue, you Shicklashorne Philadish? ”

“Androthon, you are the whelp of a grilloth-hound. I Grathdrathar doth seek retribution for the treasonous action for which you alone are unblameless. The Shar will see you krilldelldothed. Philadrill and Somacreed were slain by your lackeys, Cronusshar and Blachdellfunst son of Gornelldig. His creching knife was found amongst the Trells. How do you answer these charges, grilloth?”

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I have found a few examples of this while reading amateur and professional sci fi / fantasy fiction. After having read only a fraction of the first chapter, I begin to feel like an unwelcome eves dropper. When I begin to read a story that begins in this way my eyes cross as if I were reading Japanese vcr instructions. I understand the motivation of an author to establish a unique and unfamiliar world to his or her reader, but instant alienation cannot be the desired goal. There are a number of ways to establish a comfortable platform for the reader to give them some hope of understanding what is happening. I myself am guilty of this. I invite discussion on the subject.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:38 pm    Post subject: chauvinistic drivel Reply with quote

I am offended by this story. Not one of the major characters is a woman. This kind of chauvinistic drivel threatens to put us back to the stone age. That's what you'd like, isn't it? A world where men can be in control. Well, it's not going to happen. It's a scientific fact that women are superior in all ways to men. What do you do for an encore, you sick bastard? Steal little girls lunch money? Linden
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow; what an awesome story, dude! It totally rocks!! It was a little confusing until I pictured that Grandfather dude as Superman, and that Anthropod guy as the Flash. Everybody knows that Supes can kick Flash's @$$, man! Man, If only you could have put Wonder Woman in the story, maybe that NOWb!+ch could lay off you, man. I think you rock personally. I wish you were writing Superman. That would really kick @$$!!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just for clarity, the Council of the Traklandine is composed mainly of females. The Council founded by Arknasorna Gale, is comprised of 72 representatives from the outer domains to the inner regions of Carknia Temporath. 63 of the 72 seats are held by the matriarchal governesses of the Crillion Sempath. I hope that helps clear things up. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wow; what an awesome story, dude! It totally rocks!! It was a little confusing until I pictured that Grandfather dude as Superman, and that Anthropod guy as the Flash. Everybody knows that Supes can kick Flash's @$$, man! Man, If only you could have put Wonder Woman in the story, maybe that NOWb!+ch could lay off you, man. I think you rock personally. I wish you were writing Superman. That would really kick @$$!!

I’m not sure if I’m nauseated by your comments or not. Wait. Wait. Bluuuuuuggggarrrrrrrffffffffthughhhhhhhh. There. I’m not nauseated any longer. Thanks very much.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 2:38 pm    Post subject: Re: chauvinistic drivel Reply with quote

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I am offended by this story. Not one of the major characters is a woman. Linden



Hey, sister, I think you need to take a Chill . Just relax, take a deep breath, and remember the immortal words of Sir William Shattner: "HEY....Mr. tambourine man....play a little song....for...ME!"
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"Angry man is loose. I repeat. Angry man is loose."
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys either have a great group of friends in Tampa-or your alter egos r bouncing o/o control this morning! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

See clear--didn't even log in--you're NOT urself! Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Your implication that Clear Frontier and I are one and the same is as foolish as Covenant thinking Foul was part of him. Begone, mortal; don't make me turn this car around.Screwy
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No it's not you or clear I'm worried about it's the other 2 (or 6 Very Happy)
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I know what you mean. Whoever posted those comments must be a little touched in the coconut. Eh? Shocked
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Okay, whatever. Just in case though, if you do see more than one Clearfrontier, shoot at the middle one. Screwy
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No wait! I'm the real one. Shoot him!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No wait! I'm the real one. Shoot him!


Stealing from Shattner now, are we? You bastard, what do you do for an encore; steal Leonard Nemoy's secret hand shake? Screwy
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Stealing from Shattner now, are we? You bastard, what do you do for an encore; steal Leonard Nemoy's secret hand shake? Screwy


Holy Cow! I'm very impressed that with all the millions of examples of "I'm the real one." you could have picked from, you managed to identify the exact reference from Star Trek 6. Laughing
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No it's not you or clear I'm worried about it's the other 2 (or 6 Very Happy)


I wouldn't worry about them. NOWgirl has probably immolated herself attempting to burn her bra before she took it off, and DC boy is undoubtably still busy reading the latest issue of Superman. Screwy
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I'm so terribly confused.
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So am I. Here I thought everybody was supposed to praise the work of me and Clear, but that seems to not be the case. Oh well, at least I still have my health. Screwy
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