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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:29 pm    Post subject: New Orleans Mayor Nagin's Speech Yesterday Reply with quote

For those of you who hadn't caught any excerpts from Ray Nagin's speech yesterday on MLK day...check the comments out below.

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"This city will be a majority African American city. It's the way God wants it to be," said Mayor Nagin. "It's time for us to rebuild a New Orleans, the one that should be a chocolate New Orleans. And I don't care what people are saying in Uptown or wherever they are. This city will be chocolate at the end of the day."


Talk about racially devisive, huh? Sorry to inform you, Mr. Nagin, but the tax base in this city is what we should be concerned about bringing back at this point and time. Also sorry to inform you that the majority of the neighborhoods that produce the most tax revenue are the 'white' areas of the city, as well. So, if I were a white New Orleans resident, trying to decide if I wanted to come back to live in New Orleans, how would the above comments make me feel? It doesn't even sound as if white residents of New Orleans are even wanted or welcomed back.

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"Surely God is mad at America. He sent us hurricane after hurricane after hurricane, and it's destroyed and put stress on this country," Nagin said as he and other city leaders commemorated Martin Luther King Day. "Surely he doesn't approve of us being in Iraq under false pretenses. But surely he is upset at black America also. We're not taking care of ourselves."


God is mad at America? In Iraq under false pretenses? Not that I am a believer, but if I was...I would be pretty insulted that Mr. Nagin is now elevated himself now to one who can interpret God's actions and how he passes judgement. Yeah, this helps us out a whole lot. Just as we are trying to get more support and funding from the current administration to continue the rebuilding process in New Orleans.

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Nagin told the crowd that he also asked, "Why is black-on-black crime such an issue? Why do our young men hate each other so much that they look their brother in the face and they will take a gun and kill him in cold blood?"


I can't say anything bad about that comment. Finally, he addresses an issue in his speech that should be a real concern.

Personally, I supported Nagin all through the Katrina aftermath. All the way up until his speech yesterday, that is. Talk about political posturing! With the elections rapidly closing in on us, this was so obviously an attempt to embrace the black voters who remain in the city.

Oh well...looks like business as usual in the new political spectrum which is New Orleans...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I brought this up in the "News stories that really tick you off" thread. I couldn't agree with you more, and I'm glad to have a local weigh in on it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Pat Robertson had said some of those things, it would be all over CNN right now.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dunno, man, I don't like it either, but considering it's an African American mayor making a speech to an African American audience on MLK day... I don't think it's as bad as it may seem.

As far as the God thing goes, well, it's all a bit silly to me anyway (this is the same god that destroyed cities, turned wives into salt, and numerous other acts of vengeance for more trifling reasons). But you know when tragedies happen, people look for reasons. If you look for the devil's face in the clouds, you'll eventually see it, and all that. At least he's also bringing out a positive message with it, trying to uplift the black community.

Sure, everybody in NO has had it rough, but we all have to admit the black community had it the worst, and from the sound of it, it sounds like they still do. Walk a mile in their shoes, and all that.

Heh, now all that being said, I think the mayor of New Orleans should be above that kind of thing. He's not just the black mayor. But I don't think he's counting on another term, so he's probably trying to be as effective as he can where he can. *shrug*
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So if a mayor of a predominantly white city that had been devistated had said he wanted a "Wonder Bread City", you'de be OK with that?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In bizarro world, sure. It's all about context. (and if worms had machine guns, birds wouldn't f*** with 'em).

Are you really not 'OK with that', Cail? Are you printing off newsletters, calling in contacts, planning protests as we speak?

It's not like I'm endorsing what he said. In fact, I said the opposite. I'm just saying I can kinda see where he's coming from.

I'm not saying, "OK!" I'm saying "...eh."
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dlb wrote:
If Pat Robertson had said some of those things, it would be all over CNN right now.

Cail wrote:
It's official, he's nuts....

www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/17/nagin.city/index.html
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Nagin calls for rebuilding 'chocolate' New Orleans
Black majority city 'the way God wants it to be'

Tuesday, January 17, 2006; Posted: 5:34 a.m. EST (10:34 GMT)

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- Mayor Ray Nagin on Monday called for the rebuilding of a "chocolate New Orleans" that maintains the city's black majority, saying, "You can't have New Orleans no other way."

And it looks like the 3rd article down under US on their main page. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I'm pretending to work at the moment.... Wink

And no, I'm not OK with anyone telling the world that God wants a Chocolate City, anymore than anyone else would be with a white mayor making a similar comment.

It's a horribly divisive comment to make, and the man should be ashamed of himself.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It should be that I am just about numb to everything going on down here by now, with over 4 months of post-Katrina BS behind me. But his comments yesterday proved to me that just when you think that you had heard it all...then here we go again.

What could have motivated him to make those comments, except for self preservation and political posturing? He knows the elections are coming up quickly, he knows that he has taken a bunch of flack for not trying to get the black community back here in New Orleans (which, right or wrong, the white populace of New Orleans is where most of the tax base is from), and he knows that with out the black votes, he has no chance for re-election.

So what does he do? He takes the biggest stage in front of the black population of New Orleans (right after the MLK day parade) and pumps up the black population of the city that he will make it 'chocolate' again, tells them what they want to hear...all in hopes of getting them back behind him, and hoping to get their support back before the election.

If I were a white resident of New Orleans, and I was already back living in the city...the For Sale sign would already be up on my front lawn, after yesterday's comments.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jelerak: you know i supported ray during the crisis, but he has no lost his mind. sorry to read about his meltdown, how much longer is his term?

syl: if a white mayor had said the same about wanting a vanilla boston, he would have to resign or be recalled.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well...his apology hit the local media today, admitting that he should have never brought God into the mix, admitting that he should never had excluded anyone from the 'new' New Orleans. Basically asking everyone for their forgiveness for his comments.

Believe me, the heat that he has taken down here is hard for me to put into perspective for ya'll, if you're not here to feel it first hand.

Anyway, I just wanted to give you an update. Too little, too late for me to get back into his corner, though.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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OT - sorry, but this is just about the funniest thing I've seen in a long time!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so how will local elections happen there? imagine the nightmare of the absentee ballots. any idea when the next round of elections is due?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forget the tax base, it does seem divisive. not to mention religio-centric. Wink

I dunno...I mean, I see what Syl is saying, but that approach doesn't seem the answer, or eve to make sense, unless he is running for re-election after all.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm curious, did Nagin talk about how Mardi Gras will be up and running this year, as if it was top priority? I remember someone mentioning that. If it was Nagin, I'm confused how he could think if God punished them its b/c of Bush, and not a city that flaunts its hedonism. Altho I guess in today's world it does make sense, its never our fault (and even more so, its Bush's).
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mardi Gras probably is a top priority if you're looking for revenue, so that at least would be understandable.

The hedonism line is that other guys, (Roberts?). I guess that that's the conservative christian line. God's anger with Bush must be the liberal christians one.

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(And everybody needs somebody to balm, Cybrweez...even hedonists. wink.gif )

Especially hedonists. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really hadn't found anything to add or holler about on this thread, but...

'Weez (he asked slowly and calmly), are you suggesting that Mardi Gras is what tempted God's Wrath?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plissken: no.

Av: I wonder if Mardi Gras is worth it for revenue. I can't imagine the same amount of crowds, plus the security and work to host it should irritate any NO dwellers, since that money could go to the infrastructure work needed.
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